Why are so many employees quitting, and what will stem the tide? A new episode of The McKinsey Podcast takes on the great adaptation.

To keep top talent in the fold, managers must actively change their leadership styles—focusing less on controls and more on culture and connections.

In this episode of The McKinsey Podcast, McKinsey experts in talent and organizational health Aaron De Smet and Bill Schaninger join executive editor Roberta Fusaro to discuss how those in charge must adopt new ways of leading to keep the employees they have. An edited version of their conversation follows.

Listen to the podcast here.